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LIVE STREAM - Torbay Council's full council meeting

By HE_Hedge  |  Posted: December 05, 2013

LIVE STREAM - Torbay Council's full council meeting

LIVE STREAM - Torbay Council's full council meeting

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Torbay Council is live streaming a meeting for the first time today from 5pm

The full council meeting will feature petitions for traffic calming in Jacks Lane, Torquay and to introduce a school crossing patrol at Watcombe Primary, Combe Pafford and Mayfield. There is also a petition for Well Street to be permanently closed.

There will be questions from the public over the Landslip on Lymington Road and questions over the B&Q site.

There are also a selections of motions including changing the mayoral system itself.

You can watch it live from 5pm below

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  • DrNikkiBedwel  |  December 09 2013, 5:39PM

    Clearly putting the pavilion in the middle of the harbour is the most brain dead idea since Torbay Council put drug rehab, criminal resettlement, alcoholics rehab, sex offender resettlement etc in the middle of Torquay.

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  • pennington2  |  December 08 2013, 12:59PM

    I thought the live broadcast was brill. What I particularly found amusing was that little group of misfits that Morey presides over. Aren't they just dead ringers for The Life of Brian's Judean People's Front or is it the People's Front of Judea or the Judean Popular People's Front or the Popular People's Front of Judea...?? Whatever, I did find it hilarious watching Morey make a right berk of himself live on webcam. If, as they say, laughter is the best medicine, we are all going to live to a ripe old age! Bring on the next broadcast.

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  • BertieBurper  |  December 07 2013, 8:55AM

    Having the pavilion in the middle of the harbour will be great. We could have gondola's circling it and sell tacky Torquay gondola souvenirs with the gondola pole as a stick of Torquay rock. We could also put the town hall in the middle of the bay and send out food parcels for the councillors weekly. This would be done on a voluntary basis as no public money would be available, for anything. I've done a viability report and the answers came out as -34 and infinity plus one, I may have put some of the numbers in wrong, but that's got to mean something, surely,.....anything

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  • spindleshanks  |  December 07 2013, 8:11AM

    Thanks BangersMash - the points you raise are totally valid - our report was a viability report conducted at the bequest of the Chair of the Torquay Neighbourthood Plan Forum and was conducted by unpaid volunteers. Companies we spoke to who are experts on the subject stated there would need to be the mechanism to ensure water in the inner harbour was circulated/change; this whilst some admitting they had tendered for the inner harbour pontoon berthing scheme whilst knowing there were serious issues with it! It would appear that Torbay Council have already attempted to offload the inner harbour as an asset to third parties who simply couldn't see the venture being viable (primarily because of the limited access hours offered to boat owners). They shared the view the TTCCP group did and yet because the latter have done it publicly they have taken all the flak as a result. Without the need for public funding, the TTCCP's proposal will allow that option to be looked at and provide taxpayers in Torbay with a revenue stream rather than a cost from a potential loss making venture. Although not stating the fact in our report, we make the observation that Torbay Council can't even stop dog owners fouling pavements in the town so how the harbour master expects to stop boat owners emptying heads below the water line is a question worth asking. The report to council (especially the risks page) really needs to be studied just how flawed this scheme is. On the subject of additional costs, if you look at the TTCCP's proposal there is a financial buffer of at least £15 million that would cover the cost of such items as filtration/circulation pumps, 24 hour lock, etc. Conversely the inner habour pontoon scheme has little in reserve to cover the cost of pump out facilities, toilets (mentioned but not costed), staff costs (mentioned but not one job created or shown as costed in the business plan), security, etc. I know the comment has been made recently that the inner harbour should be for boats and not buildings. One strange aspect of the risk report attached to the inner harbour pontoon berthing scheme was that it talked about damage to boats and pontoons in the event of the failure of the cill. Where in either of those two discussions is any mention of people? That is what the TTCCP's proposal addresses; the number of people using a community asset, whether boat users or otherwise.

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  • Pingu007  |  December 06 2013, 10:10PM

    ... although I don't disagree that many of our supposed representatives have been around too long.

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  • Pingu007  |  December 06 2013, 10:07PM

    @themightyflea: really? No evidence of Cllr Cowell being anything special at all after viewing all those hours of video via YouTube. There were three people who sat through the entire thing, and your comment doesn't seem like it would come from one of them. Perhaps you were one of the tech guys?

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  • BangersMash  |  December 06 2013, 7:06PM

    There's no more guarantee with your proposal that boat users will act properly and not empty their boats in the inner harbour. In fact, your proposal makes it more of a problem if they do. There is also the inevitable problem of rubbish, oil and grease etc, giving the stagnant water a nasty film. Correct me if I'm wrong but I couldn't see any allocation in your costings for pontoons and facilities or the access lock itself. I trust given your comments below that you do not foresee this additional £3-4 million spend coming from the council coffers so could you please explain how these costs are to be met? I hope you aren't going to propose selling off another Torbay asset.

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  • spindleshanks  |  December 06 2013, 5:49PM

    Thanks BangersMash - yes the proposal we submitted actually incorporated proper pump out facilities, electrics, water and toilets unlike the inner harbour pontoon berthing scheme signed off this week; this allowing boat owners to empty their waste properly and without polluting the inner harbour. Of course our proposal also provided boat owners with 24 hour boat movements in and out of the harbour. You don't have to take my word for the fact the scheme signed off this week stands to pollute the inner harbour - the report to council made that clear in February this year. Not my words, theirs. The worry is that by the time you start adding all these extras to the current scheme it is going to be losing money big time and guess who will be picking up the tab? Doubt it will be the boat users or harbour master.

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  • BangersMash  |  December 06 2013, 5:22PM

    @spindleshanks - we constantly hear from you about how the pontoon scheme is going to pollute the inner harbour. In your proposal you not only have more berthing spots but have reduced the ability of the harbour to be naturally flushed twice a day. Have you considered that your proposal will likely turn the harbour into a smelly stagnant pool.

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  • themightyflea  |  December 06 2013, 4:42PM

    Having had the opportunity of sitting through the entirety of this debate I can say that many of our representatives look, and certainly sound, well past their sell-by date. Cllr. Cowell stood head and shoulders above the rest in that he alone appeared to have complete assurance about his presentations. If we could be assured of similar young blood it would be a good idea to reduce the number of Members by 50% and pay them twice as much. As a senior myself I would say at least one third of them should reflect on Cromwell's "You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing here lately......." and put themselves out to grass.

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