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Torbay Council to give Brixham Chestnut Nursery more time

By GuyHenderson  |  Posted: February 07, 2013

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Brixham's Chestnut Nursery will be given more time to find an alternative to closure, Torbay Council decided at Oldway Mansion in Paignton on Wednesday evening.

It is proposed that the unit should be closed from August 31 this year unless an alternative solution can be found. Officers say there is declining demand for places at the nursery.

A 300-signature petition was brought forward during the meeting, representing the campaign to keep the nursery open.

There were also moves to extend the deadline for another option to be found to keep the nursery open.

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Councillors also agreed a proposal for a store in Torquay Town Hall car park and for improvements to mooring in Torquay's Inner Harbour.

However, discussions on a velodrome plan for Clennon Valley at Paignton were deferred to a later date.

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  • spindleshanks  |  February 07 2013, 7:26PM

    Because at 9.21pm Wednesday evening the only point of reference on this website regarding the decision that had been made by Torbay councilors regarding the development of a supermarket on Town Hall car park was this particular article in which the subject was mentioned. Correct me if I am wrong, but some of the spurious and misleading tweets on the subject being made during the debate also appear in this article for all to see if they replay the council meeting. It really is time for Torbay Council meetings to be streamed live so that those who are interested in local issues get an unbiased, unedited and truthful account for themselves concerning issues going on in the Bay.

  • woodie2010  |  February 07 2013, 7:01PM

    Not quite sure why this is being discussed under news item about Brixham nursery??

  • spindleshanks  |  February 07 2013, 4:44PM

    The TTCCP has not even voted on where it stands with regard to this development which is in any case outside its area geographically. For that reason and the way it has been misrepresented over the past 24 hours, I am lead to believe its submission to the Neighbourhood Plan is being withdrawn pending further discussion at its next meeting. The whole point of the Neighbourhood Plan was to allow ideas to be put forward with regard to possible developments in any area so that they could be discussed and consensus gained. Nowhere in that process is there room for one individual to hijack a community partnership by misrepresenting its views on any one development even if it had one. You are misrepresenting the question that was asked in the Torquay Neighbourhood Plan which quite specifically mentions development of a supermarket on the Town Hall car park to which 55% of respondents voted in favour, 7% didn't reply and 38% voted against. Last night, all that councilors agreed to was that negotiations took place to secure a developer willing to develop a supermarket on the site. No one voted against that proposal. If you are accusing councilors of giving false information during last night's council meeting, it is only fair that those you feel have committed this crime are named and given an opportunity to explain. As for scaring people, I believe a huge number of town traders (especially those in Upper Union Street area) and local residents will be delighted at the council's decision yesterday. Totnes and Newton Abbot thrive with town centre supermarkets. Residents living in Torquay town centre should be able to shop in a town centre supermarket that hasn't got inflated prices as seen in some of the smaller outlets we currently have in the town. To conclude, not everyone can simply jump in a car and do their grocery shopping out at the Willows.

  • woodie2010  |  February 07 2013, 3:49PM

    TTCCP and T&UCPChairs have already indicated their feelings in their partnership submissions. I have spoken to the Chair of the NP and it is my understanding that the forum support development here but not necessarily a supermarket - that requires further consultation and debate The issue here is not about the merits or not of a supermarket on this site but about councillors giving false information at a council meeting. I am assuming that the statement above:- 'the decision could either make or break Torquay as a viable town centre?' is designed to scare people into believing that there are no other options and do you no credit. Choices about sites should not be one choice or nothing surely and if a wider debate could be had then who knows what others might come up with. In this whole process we have been told to think big and ambitious and that big ideas will attract development so I am not sure why anyone would think this option is the only one that will solve our Town centre's problems.

  • BuddytheElf  |  February 07 2013, 10:48AM

    Will it really make any difference to give Chestnut Nursery an extra few weeks to come up with an alternative? Or is it just an empty gesture?

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  • spindleshanks  |  February 07 2013, 8:08AM

    Perhaps the chairs of the Torquay Town Centre Community and Torre & Upton Community Partnerships (TTCCP and T&UCP) and the chair of Torquay Neighbourhood Forum could clarify where each group stands on the subject? Perhaps the Herald Express could follow this up seeing the decision could either make or break Torquay as a viable town centre? No doubt those against the scheme can have their say at any planning hearings and also explain how they could positively contribute to Torquay town centre regeneration whilst pulling in a minimum of £2.5 millions (plus ground rent) to the Council's coffers?

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  • woodie2010  |  February 07 2013, 7:46AM

    Also when I say above 'This is not widely supported and should not be presented so." I am not referring solely to the meeting on Monday but to the wider community. There have been other meetings which would support this view.

  • woodie2010  |  February 07 2013, 7:43AM

    The question put to the forum on Monday asked if people supported development, not a supermarket. Development of this site is something I support. TTCCP and T&UCP's do not support a supermarket here either yet Cllr Tyerman told the meeting that they did. When TC presented results of questionnaire she also noted that opinion split on this site,and it was acknowledged from the results that these responses to the whole questionnaire can by no means be taken as definitive.Council would have voted for the proposal anyway so not sure why they felt the need to suggest it is widely supported by the community. Opinion is divided on the siting of a supermarket here which is why there should have been more consultation before this decision was taken.

  • spindleshanks  |  February 07 2013, 7:18AM

    Sorry woodie2010 you are totally wrong. Following a presentation by an individual from the TDA, members of the public at the NF meeting on Monday were asked to vote on whether Torbay Council/Torbay Development Agency should enter discussions to secure a lease allowing a developer to build a supermarket on the site. The meeting discussed a supermarket and named the developer if not the supermarket that will finally occupy the site. To suggest otherwise is factually incorrect. Even the draft Torquay Neighbourhood Plan (with regard to the site) states - "Redevelopment on the Town Hall car park for supermarket/superstore incorporating considerable car parking and some residential use acting as a catalyst for regeneration in the wider town centre..." To then go on and say the idea was not widely supported at the NF meeting on Monday when only 4 people in a packed room voted against the idea is again stretching what could be considered truthful. Hopefully accurate minutes of both meetings will have recorded the facts correctly.

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  • woodie2010  |  February 06 2013, 11:35PM

    at the NF meeting the vote was for development not a supermarket - there is a world of difference. This is not widely supported and should not be presented so.

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